Object to Naked Scans and TSA Groping? DHS wants to ID these “domestic extremist”

Kaye Beach


On Nov 24th I wrote about a writer who said that he“was contacted by a source within the DHS who is troubled by the terminology and content of an internal memo reportedly issued yesterday.”

The memo in question here has yet to surface and some question whether or not Hagmann’s assertion or factual.  (see comments)

At the same time some are taking the matter seriously;

On Nov. 29th Bob Barr on behalf of the Liberty Guard, a non profit organization,  filed with the TSA a FOIA request for any documents:

“pertaining to instructions to staff, employees or supervisors that affect
the public when members of the public are asked to submit to
full body scans or “pat downs” while attempting to board
aircraft, which have been adopted by the TSA or DHS. I also
request any documents which discuss the aforementioned issue and
contain the terms “national opt-out day,” “Bob Barr”, “Opt Out
Alliance”, “Liberty Guard”, “John Tyner”, “domestic extremists”,“drudgereport.com,” “Matt Drudge”, “prisonplanet.com”, “Alex Jones” and any other term or proper name germane to the
aforementioned terms and matter.”

Read the FOIA request

Bob Barr was one of those named in the MIAC Report (see below) so maybe the idea that DHS is labeling those who dissent as domestic extremists doesn’t seem so far fetched.   I can say after reading intensively over the last few years about DHS and  Fusion Centers, it would not surprise me at all if there is something to Hagmann’s assertions.

Paul Joseph Watson writes;

The Freedom of Information Act request also aims to uncover why the TSA made the decision to “stand down” on its normal security procedures the day before Thanksgiving in what was a blatant public relations ploy to deflate the impact of the national opt out day protest which had been scheduled for the same day.

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We shall see….

Object to Naked Scans and TSA Groping?  DHS wants to ID these “domestic extremist”

Kaye Beach


Big surprise.  Americans who take issue with the government’s nudie scanners or public groping of their  most personal of effects are being labeled as “domestic extremists” by DHS.

It is important to note that the label is not reserved for violent objectors. The term is used to describe any person, group or alternative media source” that actively objects to, causes others to object to, supports and/or elicits support for anyone who engages in such travel disruptions at U.S. airports in response to the enhanced security procedures. According to Doug Hagmann’s post on Fed Up Flyers dated Nov 23, 2010.

Hagmann says that after he published this article he “was contacted by a source within the DHS who is troubled by the terminology and content of an internal memo reportedly issued yesterday.” by DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano

Furthermore the TSA is instructed to identify these individuals and share this information with “Homeland Environment Threat Analysis Division, the Extremism and Radicalization branch of the Office of Intelligence & Analysis (IA) division of the Department of Homeland Security.”

Doug Hagmann writes;

The memo, which actually takes the form of an administrative directive, appears to be the product of undated but recent high level meetings between Napolitano, John Pistole, head of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA),and one or more of Obama’s national security advisors. This document officially addresses those who are opposed to, or engaged in the disruption of the implementation of the enhanced airport screening procedures as “domestic extremists.”

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The Anti-TSA Backlash: It Ain’t Just a Right-Wing Thing

Posted by Kevin Carson on Nov 25, 2010 in Commentary23 comments

Well, it seems Homeland Security and the TSA are classifying the anti-TSA backlash as a “domestic extremist” movement. A DHS memo from Janet Napolitano referred to the individuals who tried to “interfere with” the new airport security regime by objecting to it or opting out, along with public commentators and organized movements which encouraged such behavior, as “domestic extremists.” She called on the government to investigate individuals and movements associated with the anti-TSA backlash.

And now MSNBC’s Chris Matthews is dismissing the anti-TSA movement as a bunch of right-wingers. Monday night (Nov. 22) Matthews did a segment on the new back-scatter body scan machines. One of the guests, Ginger McCall of the Open Government Project and the Electronic Privacy Information Center, cited evidence that the machines are ineffective at detecting low-density materials like the powdered explosive carried by the Underwear Bomber, and simply create an “illusion of security.”

Matthews, outraged, demanded her explanation as to why the government would deliberately do something that didn’t work. McCall responded that it might have something to do with the fact that a lot of money was changing hands. When challenged further by the aghast Matthews, she elaborated that former DHS Secretary Chertoff had ties to the companies that manufacture the scanner.

This sent Matthews on a rampage for the rest of the segment, sputtering demands for names and documentation as McCall, attempting to talk in the face of his machine-gun interruption, tried to explain the concept of a revolving door between government agencies and private industry.

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Possibly relevant “extremists” articles;

Missouri Fusion Center Designates 75% of the Population as Subversives, Extremists

TSA: “I Thought Maybe You Might Be Representing a Terrorist Organization”

HB 2810 The Oklahoma Sovereignty Act: Stuck in Liebmanns Craw


6 responses to “Object to Naked Scans and TSA Groping? DHS wants to ID these “domestic extremist”

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  3. From Joe Dettelis http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=707197525

    Good points Kaye and Jane– but wanted to let you know– the “Hagmann” story you quote is clever deception for whatever motives of the writer- unfortunate because such blogging detracts from the serious nature of the issue.

    I called Hagmann out on this via email and post on Naomi Wolf’s FB wall, 11/27-28/2010. It is most probable that Hagmann has no memo and his story is a piece of fiction. “Hagmann” has not responded to my challenge.
    Here is one of my posts there concerning this after it was posted by Kalen, who helps administer the Naomi site, as she was looking for source corroboration.

    “Btw Kalen I found no other sources- it seems all the other blogs/net postings on this just quote and refer to Doug Hagmann’s Canada Free Press blog who wrote the article on the link you posted and who strongly implies w/o literally saying …so that he possesses this mysterious memo- he also claims he can’t “disseminate” it in any way bc of it’s “classification”. Pretty obvious [from my sources] Hagmann is a clever BS artist and has no memo. Which brings the so called lists and “domestic extremest” labels into question that got shot all over the net last week.

    However, that does not mean something like this is not going on, you would have to conjecture- it only means “Hagmann” has no memo of which “dissemination of the document itself is restricted by virtue of its classification.” Clever wording– No wonder he says the document “Can’t be posted or published” Pretty hard to do that if you don’t have one. I would confront Hagmann on this. [And I did.]”

  4. I have been waiting for something to surface on this.
    I am not familiar with Hagmann as a source but have seen just this type of DHS nonsense too many times. Until we have a doc, its conjecture, of course but sadly, it is very easy to believe.

  5. Yes, stories like this one planted by Hagmann detract from the very real issue of the absolute illogic of what We the People are letting Congress sell us as “airline safety”. His story generates unnecessary fear and detracts from the effort of a free republic- not to mention it is complete disinformation. I’m not sure yet, but it seems he pawns himself off as a grass roots right wing national security expert. A friend of mine told me last night, he has heard him on the “Tom Bauerle Show” http://www.wben.com/Tom-Bauerle/2265196 a conservative radio talk show host in Buffalo, New York. You should contact Tom and introduce yourself- ask him about Hagmann. Tom probably thinks he is genuine. He is probably a disinformation specialist making money for himself. Tell Tom about my challenge and that I referred you.

  6. I will look into this further and thank for pointing it out. There are enough real concerns and we don’t need any nonsense added. Please let me know if you find anything out. In the meantime I will have a ? over Hagmann.

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