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Missouri compliance with REAL ID has Lt. Gov., CCW permit holders up in arms

States that Stand Against REAL ID - Really?

States that Stand Against REAL ID – Really?

Kaye Beach

March 10, 2013

Residents of Missouri are in an uproar following the discovery that their state is apparently continuing to implement the REAL ID Act requirements in Missouri despite the fact that the state passed a law prohibiting the implementation of Real ID.

Though Missouri isn’t one of the 19 states certified by the Department of Homeland Security as REAL ID compliant, its steps towards compliance is raising privacy concerns by handgun carry permit holders and state lawmakers.

Source:  Real ID Act raises privacy concerns for Mo. handgun carry permit holders, March 6, 2013, Examiner.com

Opponents of The Real ID Act of 2005 span the political spectrum and not least among these opponents has always been those who value their right to keep and bear arms.  This may be one of the first visible eruptions at the inevitable intersection of Real ID and gun rights.  It will not be the last.

According to Lt. Governor Peter Kinder, Eric Griffin went to his Department of Motor Vehicles fee office after he passed the application process for a concealed carry gun permit. Griffin refused to let DMV employees scan some of his documentation and he was subsequently denied a permit.

Source:  Real ID Act raises privacy concerns for Mo. handgun carry permit holders, March 6, 2013, Examiner.com

From the Missouri Watchdog, March 6, 2013;

“What is going on is improper and is a new and illegal impediment to citizens’ rights to obtain a concealed-carry permit,” said Stoddard County prosecutor Russell Oliver, who is acting as the private attorney for plaintiff Eric Griffin.

The state statute governing the actions of the Department of Revenue forbids it from disclosing such personal information as photographs, driver’s license numbers, names and addresses without express consent.

In investigating the matter, Oliver said, he discovered that a third-party company — Morphotrust — licenses the equipment. On its website, the company says it’s a partner with all states and many federal agencies in providing “identity solutions” “to simplify, protect and secure the lives of the American people.”

Oliver said he’s not sure how long the Morphotrust scanning machines have been in place or how far-reaching they are in Missouri license fee offices. Stoddard County is in the southeast corner of the state.

“This is new, at least it’s new to us,” said Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder, who joined Oliver at the Capitol in announcing the lawsuit.

. . .Oliver and Kinder said the DOR may be collecting the information to comply with the federal Real ID Act of 2005, but they said the state opted out of that law and instead implemented its own in response.

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Oops! Ellis’ Gun Right’s Constricting Bill Was a Mistake

Kaye Beach

Feb 1, 2012

On  Jan 28th I re-posted this Action Alert from OK2A

OK2A ACTION ALERT: Senator Ellis Wants To Disarm CCL Holders

On Jan 30, 2012 Fox 25 reports;

Gun rights bill confusion

Gun owners are outraged over a senate bill that would restrict gun rights.  But hopefully they won’t be upset for long.  It ends up the bill itself and subsequent outrage is all one big mix-up.  more

OK2A, the Oklahoma Second Amendment Association writes;

The language contained in the bill would do away with all reciprocal agreements for concealed carry permits in Oklahoma.  Senator Ellis, the author, and the Oklahoma Rifle Association, the sponsor, have both said that the language in the bill is an error.

Fox 25 spoke with Sen.Ellis and Tim Gillespie, founder of OK2a on Monday;

See Video Here

OK2A says SB 1550 is still a bad bill even with the offending language removed;

They say the bill was meant to make it illegal for Oklahoma residents to have a concealed carry permit from another state.  It is still a bad bill.

This notion treats a symptom rather than dealing with the real problem.  Oklahoma’s concealed carry permit is too expensive.  To get an Oklahoma CCL you are going to spend at least $175 between the class, the Sheriff, OSBI, etc., while in other states you can get it for much less.  That is why we are sponsoring SB1550, authored by Senator Shortey, which would lower the fee to $35 for OSBI and the Sheriff.

We don’t like the notion that people are being charged at all for exercising their God-given, Constitutionally-recognized rights.  But at least this bill brings the fee down closer to what it should be, $0, and makes it more affordable for people to get the CCL from Oklahoma.

Please continue to call Senator Ellis.  Tell him SB1556 is still a bad idea.  Ask him to withdraw it and support SB1550 instead.  You may reach Senator Ellis’ office at (405) 521-5614.